When I was in college, we were asked in class one day to read an essay. It started out *sounding* nice and reasonable, but in its friendly tones it quickly became twisted and xenophobic, the entire time trying to sound like it was just a discussion of common sense. I remember thinking what the hell, checking the author, and it was an excerpt from Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Horrible, terrible ideas are often not expressed openly and nakedly. They are often couched and cloaked to appear to be calm, sensible conclusions, nothing radical or shocking. Too often we take meaning from tone, and that’s how the fundamentally reprehensible gets passed into public discourse.
Oh, and not everybody in the class figured out something was up.
I’m not saying Galloway is like Hitler. I’m not familiar enough with him to say he is or isn’t. I’m saying the means of delivery is awfully familiar.
Exactly! We have to be so careful that we don’t let someone with rotten ideology become “well he’s reasonable sometimes!” Or “I agree with him usually, but he went to far this time.”
If there’s rot at the core, the entire ideology of someone is rotten.
That’s how right-wing political speeches in Germany are structured. They start out superficially reasonable and calm and by the end the idiot is yelling hate-filled slogans.
And, if you look at the actual entirety of human existence, it was the norm for men to be around their children. For some reason we only ever compare ourselves to middle America in 1950 when we talk about "traditional" values.
Your comparison is great. These guys are just making shitty excuses for not being full adults who can care for themselves and any offspring they have. They dress it up in "hyuk, dads just aren't as good as moms at laundry, cooking, putting the kids to bed.." rather than the "me man, me no clean" rhetoric.
Anyone with half a brain would understand that even if the baby is exclusively breastfed there are so many things a dad could do to make the process easier. Do a few loads of laundry, clean up, make sure the stocks of baby stuff and groceries are up, bring the her a goddamn snack or drink
And what's missing from the entire conversation is that the capitalist hellscape in which we live underpins the struggle for ALL genders. I like to say that patriarchy and capitalism form a toxic bromance. It's literally killing the very planet on which we live.
I hadn’t heard of Scott Galloway, but for someone claiming to be rational and to care about men, it’s bizarre that he would advocate for denying men a benefit and a choice. I’m super proud of my nephew who is a stay-at-home dad. He is an awesome parent and so is his wife. Thankfully they are able to make things work on her salary alone, but other families are not as fortunate.
Wow, people actually buy into this and don't recognize that it's patriarchy? Maybe I'm an atypical man because it was immediately recognizable as bullshit to me.
When my wife gave birth to our twins, you bet I took paternity leave. I spent many a night completely sleepless so the baby monitor could be shut off and my wife could get a break. Maybe it was more obvious because we has twins, but our kids would have *destroyed* my wife if I hadn't been there doing 2 a.m. feedings and changing diapers.
While my wife was always a far better parent than I was, parenting has to be a team effort. A father who doesn't recognize this isn't really being a father at all!
Dudes like Galloway really make me wish my dad ran a podcast or something because he's like one of the only dads of people in my generation who seems to have figured equal relationships out (as has his brother admittedly).
I've said it many times on Substack: it shuts a lot of dudes up when I politely explain my supposedly "high standards" for men literally just come from my dad his brother and his dad.
Like my dad recently digitized a bunch of early 90s home videos and there's tons of clips of my late grandfather a man who was born before World War II just happily playing and caring for his tiny grandchildren like this is the greatest thing he's ever been able to do in his life. That being a fun nurturing grandpa was just one of the greatest rewards he could ever be given. Meanwhile when I was growing up a lot of my friends' dads could barely be bothered to interact with them, much less their friends. I realized in late elementary school I only even knew the names of two of my friends' dads, but ALL my friends knew my dad's name. Because of my classes he was one of the only dads to routinely interact with the kids. My mom did too, but he was the only dad I can think of who regularly did.
It's thinking like this that has normalized the idea of fathers "babysit" their own children when mom needs some (insert eyerolls here) "girl time" rather than parenting their own children because that's what a parent does.
I want to stay somewhat open to a legitimate discourse about masculinity. There's lots of people who tell me that I don't need to immediately dismiss it as manosphere drivel. That not all of it is misogynistic and that since so many things are not going well for men (their loneliness epidemic, their vulnerability to the Andrew Tates of the world, etc.) they need some positive role models who can discuss masculinity in healthy terms.
So I want to stay open minded, really I do. I try.
And every time I try, the seemingly reasonable discourse gives way to horrifying misogyny buried underneath. The more virulent type, that objectivities women completely, or the soft type that praises some feminine virtues that look suspiciously like gender roles. In both these types, women are framed as the infrastructure.
Scott Galloway, professor of marketing.
That tells you everything you need to know about him.
I chose that still VERY intentionally 🤣
When I was in college, we were asked in class one day to read an essay. It started out *sounding* nice and reasonable, but in its friendly tones it quickly became twisted and xenophobic, the entire time trying to sound like it was just a discussion of common sense. I remember thinking what the hell, checking the author, and it was an excerpt from Hitler’s Mein Kampf. Horrible, terrible ideas are often not expressed openly and nakedly. They are often couched and cloaked to appear to be calm, sensible conclusions, nothing radical or shocking. Too often we take meaning from tone, and that’s how the fundamentally reprehensible gets passed into public discourse.
Oh, and not everybody in the class figured out something was up.
I’m not saying Galloway is like Hitler. I’m not familiar enough with him to say he is or isn’t. I’m saying the means of delivery is awfully familiar.
Exactly! We have to be so careful that we don’t let someone with rotten ideology become “well he’s reasonable sometimes!” Or “I agree with him usually, but he went to far this time.”
If there’s rot at the core, the entire ideology of someone is rotten.
That’s how right-wing political speeches in Germany are structured. They start out superficially reasonable and calm and by the end the idiot is yelling hate-filled slogans.
What I remember of the passage was that the tone never got strident. It was the underlying message that became unhinged.
Of course, it’s been years, and it’s not like I keep a copy around for reference.
And, if you look at the actual entirety of human existence, it was the norm for men to be around their children. For some reason we only ever compare ourselves to middle America in 1950 when we talk about "traditional" values.
Your comparison is great. These guys are just making shitty excuses for not being full adults who can care for themselves and any offspring they have. They dress it up in "hyuk, dads just aren't as good as moms at laundry, cooking, putting the kids to bed.." rather than the "me man, me no clean" rhetoric.
“ not act like a visiting dignitary “ ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Anyone with half a brain would understand that even if the baby is exclusively breastfed there are so many things a dad could do to make the process easier. Do a few loads of laundry, clean up, make sure the stocks of baby stuff and groceries are up, bring the her a goddamn snack or drink
And what's missing from the entire conversation is that the capitalist hellscape in which we live underpins the struggle for ALL genders. I like to say that patriarchy and capitalism form a toxic bromance. It's literally killing the very planet on which we live.
This is so on point.
I hadn’t heard of Scott Galloway, but for someone claiming to be rational and to care about men, it’s bizarre that he would advocate for denying men a benefit and a choice. I’m super proud of my nephew who is a stay-at-home dad. He is an awesome parent and so is his wife. Thankfully they are able to make things work on her salary alone, but other families are not as fortunate.
YUP! This very conservative guy cosplaying as modern liberal. 🤢
Wow, people actually buy into this and don't recognize that it's patriarchy? Maybe I'm an atypical man because it was immediately recognizable as bullshit to me.
When my wife gave birth to our twins, you bet I took paternity leave. I spent many a night completely sleepless so the baby monitor could be shut off and my wife could get a break. Maybe it was more obvious because we has twins, but our kids would have *destroyed* my wife if I hadn't been there doing 2 a.m. feedings and changing diapers.
While my wife was always a far better parent than I was, parenting has to be a team effort. A father who doesn't recognize this isn't really being a father at all!
Dudes like Galloway really make me wish my dad ran a podcast or something because he's like one of the only dads of people in my generation who seems to have figured equal relationships out (as has his brother admittedly).
I've said it many times on Substack: it shuts a lot of dudes up when I politely explain my supposedly "high standards" for men literally just come from my dad his brother and his dad.
Like my dad recently digitized a bunch of early 90s home videos and there's tons of clips of my late grandfather a man who was born before World War II just happily playing and caring for his tiny grandchildren like this is the greatest thing he's ever been able to do in his life. That being a fun nurturing grandpa was just one of the greatest rewards he could ever be given. Meanwhile when I was growing up a lot of my friends' dads could barely be bothered to interact with them, much less their friends. I realized in late elementary school I only even knew the names of two of my friends' dads, but ALL my friends knew my dad's name. Because of my classes he was one of the only dads to routinely interact with the kids. My mom did too, but he was the only dad I can think of who regularly did.
It's thinking like this that has normalized the idea of fathers "babysit" their own children when mom needs some (insert eyerolls here) "girl time" rather than parenting their own children because that's what a parent does.
that guy is such a prick
I want to stay somewhat open to a legitimate discourse about masculinity. There's lots of people who tell me that I don't need to immediately dismiss it as manosphere drivel. That not all of it is misogynistic and that since so many things are not going well for men (their loneliness epidemic, their vulnerability to the Andrew Tates of the world, etc.) they need some positive role models who can discuss masculinity in healthy terms.
So I want to stay open minded, really I do. I try.
And every time I try, the seemingly reasonable discourse gives way to horrifying misogyny buried underneath. The more virulent type, that objectivities women completely, or the soft type that praises some feminine virtues that look suspiciously like gender roles. In both these types, women are framed as the infrastructure.